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breed: Kerry Blue 7-3-10 Dear letters, I read with amusement D/W Kerry Blue Breed Notes 5-3-10. The writer of these notes gets more incredulous by the week. She wrote: "I RECALL writing several months ago about dog and people photographs in advertisements and found it interesting to come across yet another DOG WORLD with similar observations by Andrew Brace who said: “We have now become accustomed to the modern ‘win pic’ favoured by most exhibitors in their advertising, where the dog’s handler seems to be as important as the dog itself. Follow the links: http://www.highampress.co.uk/blackpool/terrier.asp?show=Blackpool 2009&ttl=Blackpool 2009 - Terrier Group Now anyone who isn't a half wit wouldn't write the above if they had posed for the photos in the links. As I understand it, you are not forced to be in any win photograph with a dog. Could it be sour grapes? Signed Picture Perfect2 breed: N/A 22-12-09 The Cynics will always surface when there is an introduction of new ideas. We must look forward from the BBC program and get real. Let’s face it there are some very serious issues with many breeds that need to be addressed. DNA Profiling is the only way forward for dog identity. Micro chipping can be removed, ears that have been tattooed can be removed, DNA remains. Furthermore, DNA profiling is the only sure way to ensure that dogs carrying serious faults even though they may be big winners are identified if used at stud or for litters. As was exposed in the BBC program; unscrupulous breeders do not care a jot as long as they get CH in front of the dog’s name. By Email breed: N/A 22-12-09 Dear letters, I agree with the writer who says that the Accredited Breeders Scheme is “the thin end of the wedge” I remember many years ago when the Suttons were trying to have the entry fees for shows increased dramatically. This would have out priced the Hobbyist from dog showing and then left the spoils to the ‘Elite’. We should be very wary of this Breeders scheme and all that will follow on from it. By Email breed: None 22-12-09 Dear Editor, I would like to add my view for what it’s worth regarding the accredited Breeders Scheme. In essence I think that it is a good idea, but, the Kennel Club and its so called concern for the welfare of dogs is a thin veneer. The kennel Club is money driven, always has been and always will be. It is a very exclusive club run by a Hierarchy of Freemasons. The program Pedigree Dogs Exposed did indeed expose the Kennel Club for what it is; a money spinning monopoly with a tight grip on the world of pedigree dogs. Until there is real transparency from the Kennel Club we should regard anything that the Kennel Club proposes that costs more money as exactly what it says on the tin; We Want More Money From You. By Email breed: N/A 21-12-09 Sir, I find the article published (Terrier World News 21st December 09) by Ronnie Irving on the RSPCA’s response to the Apgaw report incredulous. Is this the same Ronnie Irving who reacted so arrogantly when being interviewed in the BBC program ‘Pedigree Dogs Exposed’ ? By Email breed: Kerry Blue 4-11-09 Dear Terrier World, I cannot understand what all of this fuss is about regarding the Kerry Blue breed Notes in Dog World. How on earth would we readers know what is in the many articles printed in Dog World if Mrs Munro didn't include them in her notes? It is common knowledge that everyone who buys Dog World at a cost of £2.20 does so just to read the Kerry Breed Notes. So all of you, yes, all of you, get off Mrs Munro's back and support her. She is providing a specialist service to the whole of the country who cannot understand articles unless they are in the Kerry Notes. Signed: Eternally Grateful breed: Kerry Blue 23-10-09 Dear Terrier World, I waited in vain for mistakes to be rectified 16/10/09 D/W Kerry Blue breed notes. No such luck. And yet again in D/W notes this week we have a three years old BP winner announced at Driffield "BP was Paula Ward’s homebred Rimbert Phantom Menace DOB 2/12/06 (Tunde Bayou ex Ch Torum’s Dixie Lee). I think this was the first championship show for this puppy though his sisters have acquitted themselves very well with Queen Padme being a consistent puppy winner and R Queen Of Naboo at Lemracdream taking BP at Darlington" ( If his sisters are doing well, maybe he sired himself) Is there linage being paid by D/W? I wonder. Signed: Wishful Thinking. Dear Terrierworld, I am writing to voice my disgust with the Kennel Club and the remarks attributed to the Chairman Once again Mr Irving's apologist ( Mrs Kisko ) has been wheeled out to try and diffuse the situation brought about by the arrogant Chairman alleged remarks. We all saw in the TV Documentary Pedigree Dogs Exposed I suggest that since Crufts is now back on TV 2010, shouldn't the Chairman take the lead and judge all of the breeds that are contentious? Yes, let him, Irving start the ball rolling in full view of the watching world on TV; let him be the one to cast the first stone! But what does he preside over instead? Sending out letters to all judges to do the so called dirty work for him and his cohorts at Clarges Street. ( All Judges will have received this letter in the last two weeks) In my view the sooner we are shot of Ronnie Irving the better. Signed: Paws For Thought Email Address Supplied breed: Kerry Blue 19-9-09 Dear Letters, I read the letter by Picture Perfect Dated 7/08/09 and followed the link to the Fickr site. " Carrying on from the column of Aug 8, those who know me are fully aware how I dislike having my photo taken. By all accounts I am now being accused of being hypocritical as comparison is being made to the KC’s website showing pictures of Crufts winners and the Aug 8 column. It was a requirement at Crufts that BOB winners were photographed with the dogs in a non-show position with the owner/handler – and who am I to rock the boat? It doesn’t mean I have to like the idea. I was certainly unaware at the time exactly why these were required and who, in fact, was taking photos as there were so many. " Signed: The Dark Room For Developers. breed: Wire Haired Tasmanian Devil 22-8-09 Sir, After reading the report of Chairman Irving's Speech to the congregation at the WKC's Annual Dinner, I found myself laughing at some of the content and furious at other parts of it. Chairman Irving suggests that we the societys who stage dog shows in all cases should; Isn't it also rich that Chairman Irving uses the Welsh Annual Dinner to voice his prepared speeches and to lecture us in his smug way. Yet, when he should have stood up and been counted after the ' Pedigree Dogs Exposed ' program, he went to ground, leaving the hapless Caroline Kisko and Bill Lambert to deal with the media. We should not forget that the Program Pedigree dogs Exposed was two years in the making and Chairman Irving's inept Leadership was exposed when asked perfectly legitimate questions. The Kennel Club was in a state of panic after the TV Program and was for some time thereafter being dragged along by events rather than controlling and dictating them. Anonymous breed: Kerry Blue 7-8-09 Perhaps she has inadvertantly started the trend with photo that can be seen at this location Signed Picture Perfect (EDITOR: In The Boxing Ring They Say Don't Lead With Your Chin Or You May End Up With A Cauliflower Arse. breed: Airedale 7-8-09 Regarding the comments from Alex on Professional Handlers I need to offer a comment. One of the things that make dog shows exciting is speculation. Of course this was the talk of Birmingham. A stunning exhibit of the highest class. Keith Lovell breed: None 9-7-09 I read the news page of Terrier World dated July 9th 2009 and to be quite honest I was absolutely amazed at the new breed that may be on display at Crufts 2010. Is there an address that I can contact with a view to purchasing a pup? What Group will it be in? Keep up the good work all you at Terrier World, I enjoy the site. Ben Turpin breed: None 27-5-09 Dear Terrier world, It would seem that the advice Mrs Munro has been advocating in the Kerry Breed Notes/ Dog World about non exhibitors being allowed to breed has at last struck home. The Queen is finally giving up breeding her Corgis. Her Majesty should have stopped years ago, she has never shown any of them to my knowledge, but then I could be wrong. It would seem that HRH has had enough holidays and new cars. It will give the Show Exhibitors a chance now. Anonymous breed: None 7-5-09 Fair comment what Alex Brittain wrote, but anyone with an eye for a dog can see that the Sealyham is stunning. Anonymous breed: Norfolk 1-5-09 Dear Terrier world, I showed one of my dogs at Crufts,2009. Within an hour of the start of day 1 of Crufts the hall was buzzing with talk that it would be the Sealyham that would win B.I.S this year...and, guess what?? I wrote to the Kennel Club suggesting that they should introduce a system of showing dogs where they were shown by K.C.handlers who drew the number of the dog from a hat! Needless to say, they didn't reply. The whole world of dog showing is run on the "Judges Favour" system. Totally corrupt. Alex Brittain breed: Kerry Blue 29-3-09 Dear Terrier World, I have just read the breed notes for the kerrys 25/3/09 and for me it sums up the writer for dog world. This woman has been using her space in the dog world breed notes for years to further her own ends. Full marks to this new area that we now have to air our views and highlight the awful things that are going on in kerrys. Thank you. (Name and Email provided) Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: na 28-2-09 Dear Terrier World, Just checked on the KCs website. Geoff Corish did judge Westies at Crufts 2000 when Mike Coad won best in show. Gumshoe Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: Kerry 27-2-09 Dear Terrier World, If as the writer A Another sugests, that co-habiting partners one judging and the other handling at the same show and on the same day is correct, then something is seriously wrong in the UK. Surely the British Kennel Club Board can not condone this; or does it? True Blue US Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: Any 27-2-09 Dear Terrier World, Blackdog raises some interesting points about handling and is obviously a keen observer, and factually correct. We have all seen and heard the BBC presenters drooling and uttering superlatives about each and every one of the six finalists for best in show and each adding little snippets of gossip and tips about a so called favorite to win. What happens when the winner is picked? Nothing except ooh's and ah and it was the ........whatever. A big yawn everyone. Blackdog is right it doesn't matter which one it is. As a Handler I will judge if invited because there isn't any rule to say that I can't. But because I do doesn't mean that it's right. Considering that this discussion is all about "A question of ethics for the Kennel Club" Blackdog finishes his paragraph stating that if a dog snaps at a judge it should be dismissed, no matter how good it is. I agree. Yet, at the very same show Crufts 2000 the best in show winner tried to bite the judge's hand. Should it have been dismissed, If not why not? The only answer to this is privy to the two professionals and the best in show judge. As Blackdog said about the Cosa Nostra," Are you connected?" A Another.
breed: None 24-2-09 Dear Terrier World, Confused is a fitting title from the writer of "Re: Crufts BIS 2013" Let me explain so 'Confused' will no longer be confused. Eh? I will call you "Hermaphrodite" so that everybody isn't confused. Whenever someone is prepared to pay you for your skills, you are regarded as a 'Professional'. So Hermaphrodite, the title "Professional Handler" is a little ambiguous. That is why I say that Geoff Corish is a What is the difference? A PROFESSIONAL HANDLER: A PROFESSIONAL DOG WALKER: REGARDING BEST IN SHOW AT CRUFTS: Give me one single day to coach anyone who has never even been to a dog show and they could judge Best In Show at Crufts, or any other major Championship show! Six dogs, do me a favor! When all the work that the Breed Judges and Group Judges sorting out the best ones has been done for them you could do it blindfold. Pick any one of the six dogs and nobody would bat an eyelid. It doesn't matter which one wins, it is the phoniest finale that you will ever come across. If you win a group and have to return on another day for Best In Show, it is a non event. And, nine times out of ten the outcome is already decided, it is purely cosmetic. Crufts is no different. So Hermaphrodite, I hope things are a little more clear for you. Blackdog Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: Terrier 24-2-09 Dear Terrier World, Re: Crufts BIS 2013. Reading the comments from "Blackdog" 17-2-09 I am a little confused. Why does he/she say that Geoff Corish is not a professional handler, but a professional dog walker? All of the dogs that you will see him with are turned out immaculately and are a credit to his skills as a professional handler. Confused. Dark Side Of The Puppy Trade Exposed By New BBC Documentary breed: Many 19-2-09 Dear Terrier World, I have just watched the BBC Rogue Traders about a pet shop and a puppy farm selling puppies to the public that are ill. Judith Averis (Saredon Kennels) Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: Kerry 17-2-09 Dear Terrier World, It will be very difficult to have a Pro Handler who may have handled dogs belonging to people who will be showing at Crufts. Deccy Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: none 17-2-09 Dear Terrier World, Rumour or solid facts? This has been going around for quite a bit now and the serious money is on Oh my dog, wee should all Bow Wow Wow down to him! Blackdog. Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: none 16-2-09 Some interesting thoughts by your readers. Justa Wondering Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: Any 13-2-09 As a "Professional" Handler myself I can understand the concern about handlers judging. Should handlers be allowed to judge? There is only one answer, No. Do I judge? Yes. I will accept appointments if invited, because there isn't a rule to say that I can't. Is it "Ethical" to do both? A resounding No! When I am invited to judge a particular breed, there is usually refreshments provided before or after depending on what time you judge. In the restaurants there are other judges having lunch. The conversations are always to do with dogs. Can you plant seeds with them? Of course you can! And can this lead to a bias when you show under them, Yes it can and does happen. This is why it is unethical to be able to do both. A Another. Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: Kuvasz 8-2-09 In the US we have many professional handlers who do a great job. They are on the road sometimes for many weeks at a time, with some employing many junior handlers. I can't understand why the English KC allows pro handlers to judge. It doesn't happen in the US and quite rightly so. What is going on over there? Erling Klausen USA Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: Westie 8-2-09 Keith Lovell's view sums it all up. You choose one or the other, as a 'Professional Handler' or as an ordinary Exhibitor who chooses to become involved in judging. Professional Handlers should be prohibited from Judging by the KC until they finish their profession. Spot The Westie. Crufts Best In Show Judge 2013 breed: Airedale 7-2-09 As for judging! Why? They have made their choice. They choose to be paid by the people who can afford them and there is no doubt they give value for money. Who however wants professionalism to influence judging decisions? Who wants to be judged by somebody who may never have read the breed standard? Why be judged by somebody bound not by the judges rules and ethics but with their own set of handlers rules and ethics. Such a prestigious appointment would see their stakes rise as a professional handler and certainly be good for their business. Airedale and Welsh Terriers Downunder. BBC DOCUMENTARY PEDIGREE DOGS EXPOSED 23-09-08 Dear Terrier World, All breeders are not unconcerned with the health issues on their breeds but the program seemed to tar us all with the same brush. I have been breeding for over 40 years and if there are health issues in my breeds I have all the necessary tests done on my dogs. Airedales are x-rayed for hip dysplasia and if any one of mine had a high score it would never be bred from. You can however, have a stud dog and a brood bitch with good scores and still get [hip] dysplasia but this is rare and by having the dogs x-rayed we have done our best. Micro-chipping and DNA is a good thing in breeds as it leaves no doubt that breeders have switched pedigrees. My suggestion to The Kennel Club is to have a two tier registration scheme as the Cat Clubs do. You register all your puppies with the Kennel Club. If you wish to use a dog at Stud or Breed from a bitch you need to get any health checks done relating to that breed and if they pass they go onto an active register. If they fail the tests they stay where they are and any progeny cannot be registered. I am not on the accredited Breeders Scheme as I feel this is for any one and if I had a dog with a genetic disorder I could still breed from her or use him at stud. All you require is DNA and micro-chipping to go on the scheme. I have people coming to use my dogs at Stud and it maybe their first ever litter and they bring me the purple accredited breeders form to sign and [they] haven't a clue about dogs. 'Accredited' should stand for something as it does in Horse, Sheep, cattle and pigs. You cannot register these animals without first testing them. JUDITH AVERIS SAREDON KENNELS 19-09-08 Oh what a can of worms the BBC Documentary has opened. We now have two of the big names in animal charities disassociating themselves with the Kennel Club and its Premier Dog Show Crufts. The comments from the spokes persons for the Kennel Club have been disastrous. 28-08-08 Dear Terrier World, I don't think the programme was one-sided at all - it just presented the facts objectively & scientificaly & exposed what has been going on. It confirmed many of my fears over the way some pedigree breeds look now & explained why. BBC DOCUMENTARY PEDIGREE DOGS EXPOSED Dear Terrier World, I would agree with Judith Averis's letter; we have all been tarred with the same brush. The kennel Club's response to all of this has been woefully inadequate. (Is it any wonder the debate on docking was lost?) Where is the Chairman Ronnie irving, has he gone to ground? Is he so inarticulate that he is in hiding? Quite frankly, Kisco and Lambert are also out of their depth when even rudimentary questions are put to them. They lack the gravitas of a strong Chairman who knows his facts and is prepared for probing questions. In any organization the ultimate responsibility belongs to the Chairman; the buck stops there. If he's not up to the job he should go. His position [The Chairman] is becoming increasingly untenable. The writer who suggested an alternative Kennel Club is talking a lot of sense. But, unfortunately, this would take a massive amount of courage from those who are prepared to break away. The existing Kennel Club would ban them and not allow registration of their dogs. (Confidentiality Requested) 21-09-08 Dear Terrier World, There are rumors that the Pekingese clubs feel so threatened by the Kennel Club's attitude in targeting their breed, they may break away and form their own Kennel Club. Would this be a bad thing? 29-08-08 Dear Terrier World, I have watched the BBC Documentary ‘Pedigree Dogs Exposed’ and the ‘Kennel Club Answers Back’ a number of times now and it leads me to believe that the Kennel Club Hierarchy is woefully inept. In the BBC Documentary perfectly valid points were raised by the program makers about disturbing health issues in various breeds. Inbreeding also seemed to be a very contentious issue, yet, when the Chairman of the Kennel Club was asked probing question on this matter, it appeared that he was in deep waters unable to swim. The program ‘The Kennel Club Answers Back’ also amazed me. The spokesperson for the Kennel Club, Caroline Kisko, was asked about the health problems in certain breeds. Her answer was unbelievably astonishing. She stated that some health problems had been inherited by the KC in some breeds, from Victorian times. Yes, Victorian times! It is 2008 for goodness sakes! Do we as breeders need a change of leadership? Of course we do. But, the problem that we have as breeders and exhibitors is that we have absolutely no say in the matter. Why? Because the Kennel Club is exactly what it says, it is a Club, a very Exclusive Club. The obvious question is why do we not join the club and bring about change? It can’t be that simple can it? No. Unfortunately you can only ever be an Associate Member of the Kennel Club. Associate membership was introduced by the Kennel Club not to increase its membership, but to increase its revenue. The uninformed people who are associate members live in hope of becoming full members at some period. This will never happen to the majority of the associates, because to become a full member you have to be a Freemason, proposed by other Freemasons for entry. The Kennel Club is a very exclusive Club because it is a Freemason Lodge. 22-08-08 Sir, (NAME AND EMAIL SUPPLIED)
12-06-08 USA Dear Terrier World Great Magazine.
13-06-08 breed: Glen of Imaal Just been 'tidying'out my show bag & found your flyer given to me at National Terrier. Mrs MA Quinn
Dear Terrier World I would just like to agree with your other letter. Mr. Higgott is a wonderful vet and a very nice man. I have been visiting him at his surgery for 2 years on the recomendation of my Aunt, who has been using Mr. Higgott for some years. Another vet in the Wallasey area misdiagnosed my dog, but Mr. Higgott knew exactly what was wrong with him and made him better. DOG LEFT DYING IN FILTHY CAGE VETERINARY MALPRACTICE 26-05-08 I WOULD LIKE MY COMMENTS TO BE PUBLISHED IN RESPONSE TO YOUR ARTICLE RE:- MR LESLIE HIGGOTT -- VETERINARY MALPRACTICE. (Wallasey, Merseyside) DOG LEFT DYING IN FILTHY CAGE
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